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Información sobre tu mini por el número del chasis

Iniciado por malo, Marzo 21, 2009, 04:18:32 PM

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malo

Bueno trasteando por internet encontré esta información muy interesante sobre como saberlo todo sobre tu mini por el número del chasis. Está en inglés pero se entiende perfectamente. Está clasificados por fecha de producción y os sorprenderá seguro.

Espero que guste esta primera contribución a miniclasico.

SALUDOS Y LARGA VIDA AL MINI


Part I: 1959 - 1980

1959 Through September 1969

October 1969 to 1974 "Model Year"

1974 "Model Year" To 1980 "Model Year"

1980 "Model Year"


Part II: 1980 - 2000

Oct 1980 to Nov 1985

Nov 1985 to Circa 1990

1990 XN-----010001 On (1300cc cars only)



1959 Through September 1969 – English Built

The general format for these early cars is:
A-A2S7L-###A

First position ("A" in the above example):
A = Austin (other than Cooper and S)
C = Austin Cooper or Austin Cooper S
K = Morris Cooper or Cooper S
M =Morris
R = Riley
W = Wolseley

Second position (also "A" in the above example):
= A series engine. Any standard Mini engine for the period:
848cc
970cc Cooper S
997cc Cooper
998cc Cooper and non-Cooper
1071cc Cooper S
1275cc Cooper S

Third position(s) ("2S" in the above example):
= Body type:
2S = 2-door saloon/sedan. Caution: bureaucratic bungles often interpret this as 25 (twenty-five)
B = Moke ("Buckboard"!)
U = Pick-up. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.
V = Panel van. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.
W = Estate (with or without wood). Officially, "Dual-purpose"

Fourth position ("7" in the above example):
= Series of Austin, or Morris, etc.:
1 = Mk I Riley Elf, Wolseley Hornet, and Austin/Morris Moke
2 = Mk II Riley Elf or Wolseley Hornet
3 = Mk III Riley Elf or Wolseley Hornet
4 = Mk I Morris
6 = Mk II Morris
7 = Mk I Austin
B = Mk II Austin

Fifth position ("L" in the above example):
D = De-Luxe.
L = Left hand drive. Right hand drive was not designated
S = Super De-Luxe

Number positions ("###" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:





October 1969 to 1974 "Model Year" – English Built

During the previous months leading up to the cars in this time period, a Commission Number was introduced to go along with the Chassis Number/VIN. Both are helpful in identifying a car.
CHASSIS NUMBER/VINThe general format for the Chassis Number/VIN for these cars is:

X-A2S1N-XXX-A

VIN, First Position ("X" in the above example):
This is simply dismissed by the factory as "non significant"!

VIN, Second Position ("A" in the above example):
= Engine type
848cc
998
1275cc Cooper S and 1275 GT

VIN, Third Position ("2S" in the above example):
= Body type
2S = 2-door saloon/sedan. (Except Mk III Copper S and 1275GT) Caution: bureaucratic bungles often interpret this as 25 (twenty-five)
2W = Estate ("2 Door Dual Purpose")
D = 2 door saloon (Mk III Cooper S and 1275GT only)
U = Pick-up. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.
V = Panel van. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.

VIN, Fourth Position ("1N" in the above example):
[Blank] = Mini 850. Produced only in the "round nose" style
1 = Round nose, traditional Mini body style. Includes: Mini 1000, Mk III Cooper S, Van, and Pick-up.
2 = Clubman, square nose style. Includes: Clubman saloon, Clubman Estate, and 1275GT.

VIN, Fifth Position ("N" in the above example):
N = Mini 1000

VIN, Number positions ("###" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:
Unlike the earlier cars, each "type" started with number 101; e.g., the first Mini 850 in this range started with 101 as did the first Mini 1000, the first Mk III Cooper S, etc.

VIN, Last position ("A" in the above example):
= Assembly plant. Officially, "Internal Use Only"
If used at all, this would be "A" for English built cars. All English built Minis were now being built at Longbridge.
A = Longbridge
Commission NumberThe general format for the Commission Number is:
N20S-XXX
Commission Number, First Positions ("N20S" in the above example):
= Car type
20U = Pick-up
20V = Van
20W = Clubman Estate
D20S = Mini 850
N20D = Mk III Cooper S
N20S = Mini 1000
S20D = 1275GT
S20S = Clubman
Commission Number positions ("###" in the above example):
Sequential number starting at 101 for each car type.




1974 "Model Year" To 1980 "Model Year" – English Built

VIN - The general format for the VIN for these cars is:
X-K2S1N-XXX-A

VIN, First Position ("X" in the above example):
This is simply dismissed by the factory as "non significant"!

VIN, Second Position ("K" in the above example):
= Engine type
A = [Unknown if this was used. If so, it indicated any of the A series engines still in production at that time]
C = 1098cc
E = 1275cc
K = 848cc
L = 998cc

VIN, Third Position ("2S" in the above example):
= Body type
2D: The factory microfiche does not list a designator for the 1275GT. This would imply there wasn't one; however, it is likely the 2D designator was still used. The microfiche shows 2D used for the 1980 model year. If no designator is listed, the Commission number must be used to identify the 1275GT.
2S = 2-door saloon/sedan. (Except 1275GT) Caution: bureaucratic bungles often interpret this as 25 (twenty-five)
2W = Estate ("2 Door Dual Purpose")
U = Pick-up. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.
V = Panel van. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.

VIN, Fourth Position ("1" in the above example):
1 = Round nose, traditional Mini body style. Includes: Mini 850, Mini 850 City, Mini 850 Special Deluxe, Mini 1000, Van (848cc and 998cc), Mini Special 1098cc, and Pick-up (850cc and 998cc).
2 = Clubman, square nose style. Includes: Clubman Saloon (998cc Automatic and 1098cc Manual), Clubman Estate (998cc Automatic and 1098cc Manual), and 1275GT.

VIN, Fifth Position ("N" in the above example):
N = Special Deluxe (Except for North America). Includes the Mini 850 Special Deluxe, the Mini 1000, and the Mini Special 1098cc.
North America:
A = 1970
B = 1971
C = 1972
D = 1973
E = 1974
F = 1975
G = 1976
H = 1977
J = 1978
L = 1979

VIN, Number positions ("###" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:
Each "type" of car (with one exception) started with number 101; e.g., the first Mini 850 in this range started with 101 as did the first Mini 1000, the first 1275GT, etc.

The factory records list one exception: the export Mini Special 1098cc. The starting number, for some reason, is listed as 1012011
VIN, Last position ("A" in the above example):
= Assembly plant. Officially, "Internal Use Only"
If used at all, this would be "A" for English built cars.
A = Longbridge
COMMISSION NUMBERThe general format for the Commission Number is:
N20S-XXX
Commission Number, First Positions ("N20S" in the above example):
= Car type
20U = Pick-up
20V = Van
20W = Clubman Estate
B20S = Mini City
D20S = Mini 850
J20S = Mini 1100 Special (UK only)
N20S = Mini 1000
S20D = 1275GT
S20S = Clubman
T20S = Mini 850 Super
Commission Number positions ("###" in the above example):
Starting numbers are as follows:
20U = 13205L
20V = 84679L
20W = 77031A
B20S = 101
D20S = 83622L
J20S = 101
N20S = 20531L and 230547A
S20D = 19416A
S20S = 104632A
T20S = 101
Note that there is no listed explanation for the "A" and "L" endings. If these are intended to be the same as used for VIN numbers, the "A" would be Longbridge. Literature has suggested that "L" = Morocco! This has not been confirmed from factory microfiche.




1980 "Model Year" – English Built

VIN
Note that the VIN plate for these cars is likely marked, "BL CARS LTD"
The general format for the VIN for these cars is:
X-K2S1N-XXX-A

VIN, First Position ("X" in the above example):
This is simply dismissed by the factory as "non significant"!

VIN, Second Position ("K" in the above example):
= Engine type
C = 1098cc
E = 1275cc
K = 848cc
L = 998cc

VIN, Third Position ("2S" in the above example):
= Body type
2D = 1275GT
2S = 2-door saloon/sedan. (Except 1275GT) Caution: bureaucratic bungles often interpret this as 25 (twenty-five)
2W = Estate ("2 Door Dual Purpose")
U = Pick-up. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.
V = Panel van. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.

VIN, Fourth Position ("1" in the above example):
= Series of model
1 = Round nose, traditional Mini body style.
2 = Clubman, square nose style.

VIN, Fifth Position ("N" in the above example):
= Specification
N = Special Deluxe. The factory microfiche does not indicate that North American cars continued on with the dating
code used on previous cars; e.g., "M" = 1980.

VIN, Number positions ("###" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:
Build numbers are not listed. It is suspected that they carry on with the numbers from the previous series of cars; i.e.,
numbers were not started from 101, again.

VIN, Last position ("A" in the above example):
= Assembly plant. Officially, "Internal Use Only"
If used at all, this would be "A" for English built cars.
A = Longbridge




Oct 1980 to Nov 1985 – English Built

VIN

Note that the VIN plate for these cars is likely marked, "Austin Rover Group LTD"

It is possible that the dating in the factory microfiche is incorrect and the change date is October 1984, not 1985. Major changes were made by October 1984 (for instance, 8.4" brakes and 12" wheels became standard).

The general format for the VIN for these cars is:

SAX-X-K2S1N-XXX-A

VIN, First Three Positions ("SAX" in the above example):
This is the World Make Identifier. The factory microfiche indicates this was started on these cars in Feb 1981.
SAX = MG-Rover

VIN, Fourth Position ("X" in the above example):
This is simply dismissed by the factory as "non significant"!

VIN, Fifth Position ("K" in the above example):
= Engine type
C = 1098cc
K = 848cc
L = 998cc

VIN, Sixth (and Seventh) Position ("2S" in the above example):
= Body type
2S = 2-door saloon/sedan. Caution: bureaucratic bungles often interpret this as 25 (twenty-five)
2W = Estate ("2 Door Dual Purpose")
G = P.O. Mail Van
U = Pick-up. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.
V = Panel van. Caution: U and V can be mistaken one for the other.

VIN, Eighth Position ("1" in the above example):
= Series of model
1 = Round nose, traditional Mini body style.
2 = Clubman, square nose style.

VIN, Ninth Position ("N" in the above example):
= Specification
N = HL, Special, HLE, or Mayfair
R = Mini 25
S = Mayfair (LHD – France only)

VIN, Number positions ("###" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:

Build numbers are not listed. It is suspected that they carry on with the numbers from the previous series of cars; i.e., numbers were not started from 101, again.

VIN, Last position ("A" in the above example):
= Assembly plant. Officially, "Internal Use Only"

If used at all, this would be "A" for English built cars.

A = Longbridge




Nov 1985 to Circa 1990?? – English Built

VIN
Note that the VIN plate for these cars is likely marked, "Austin Rover Group LTD"
It is possible that the start date is really November 1984, not 1985 as stated in the factory microfiche.

The general format for the VIN for these cars is:

SAX-X-L2S1N20-XXX-A

VIN, First Three Positions ("SAX" in the above example)
This is the World Make Identifier.
SAX = MG-Rover

VIN, Fourth Position ("X" in the above example):
This is simply dismissed by the factory as "non significant"!

VIN, Fifth Position ("L" in the above example):
= Engine type
L = 998cc

VIN, Sixth (and Seventh) Position ("2S" in the above example):
= Body type
2S = 2-door saloon/sedan. Caution: bureaucratic bungles often interpret this as 25 (twenty-five)

VIN, Eighth Position ("1" in the above example):
= Series of body
1 = Round nose, traditional Mini body style.

VIN, Ninth Position ("N" in the above example):
= Class
N = HLE, Mayfair (RHD)
O = E, City E
S = Mayfair (LHD)

VIN, Tenth Position ("2" in the above example):
= Model year
2 = 1984 on (This conflicts with the microfiche indicating this position was used starting in November 1985.)

VIN, Eleventh Position ("0" in the above example):
= Steering
0 = RHD
1 = LHD

VIN, Number positions ("###" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:
Build numbers are not listed. It is suspected that they carry on with the numbers from the previous series of cars; i.e., numbers were not started from 101, again.

VIN, Last position ("A" in the above example):
= Assembly plant. Officially, "Internal Use Only"
If used at all, this would be "A" for English built cars.
A = Longbridge




1990 XN-----010001 On (1300cc cars only) – English Built

VIN
The general format for the VIN for these cars is:

SAX-XN-N-A-Y-B-B-D-######

VIN, First Three Positions ("SAX" in the above example)
= World Make Identifier.
SAX = MG-Rover

VIN, Fourth and Fifth Positions ("XN" in the above example):
XN = Mini 1300

VIN, Sixth Position ("N" in the above example):
= Class
N = Sport, Cooper, Cabriolet
V = Kensington
W = HLS, Mayfair
Y = City, Sprite

VIN, Seventh Position ("A" in the above example):
= Body type
A = 2-door saloon/sedan.
B = Cabriolet

VIN, Eighth Position ("Y" in the above example):
= Engine
D = 1300 Carb
M = 1300 Carb
X = 1300 SPi (standard compression ratio, 9.4:1)
Y = 1300 SPi (high compression ratio, 10.1:1)
Z = 1300 MPi (high compression ratio, 10.1:1)

VIN, Ninth Position ("B" in the above example):
= RHD/LHD, Transmission type, Final Drive
B = RHD, Manual, 3.105
C = RHD, Manual, 3.21
E = RHD, Manual, 2.76
K = RHD, Automatic
M = LHD, Manual, 3.105
N = LHD, Manual, 3.21
R = LHD, Manual, 2.76
Y = LHD, Automatic

VIN, Tenth Position ("B" in the above example):
= Model Change
A = 1300 Special Edition
B = 1300

VIN, Eleventh Position ("D" in the above example):
= Assembly Plant
D = Longbridge

VIN, Number positions ("######" in the above example):
= The sequential build number:
Starting with 010001


mazinger-zeta

Haber si alguien entiende el ingles y me dice algo
A-A2SB-1.311.729 ::) ::) ::) ;) :-*

brunobritishopen

de que año es el tuyo mazin?


por cierto muchas gracias por la informacion!!! ;) datos curiosos
Don`t touch my MINI!

mazinger-zeta

Cita de: brunobritishopen en Marzo 21, 2009, 05:51:26 PM
de que año es el tuyo mazin?


por cierto muchas gracias por la informacion!!! ;) datos curiosos
Del 69  ;D ;D ;D ;D

malo

Cita de: mazinger-zeta en Marzo 21, 2009, 04:34:46 PM
Haber si alguien entiende el ingles y me dice algo
A-A2SB-1.311.729 ::) ::) ::) ;) :-*


Buenas Mazinger-zeta, en tu caso me atrevería a decir que tu mini es de antes
de septiembre del 69, por lo tanto tendríamos que ir al primer apartado.

Desde 1959 hasta septiembre de 1969.

Lógicamente sería de construcción inglesa.

El formato general de la numeración del chasis en estos primeros coches es:
A-A2S7L-###A


En tu caso concreto:
A-A2SB-1.311.729


La primera posición (en el ejemplo la A) para tí sería igual, por lo tanto

A = Austin (other than Cooper and S)

Significa que tu coche es un Austin distinto del Cooper y del S.


La segunda letra (en el ejemplo la A) para ti también sería igual, por lo tanto

A series engine. Any standard Mini engine for the period:
848cc

Significa que tendría el motor de serie de aquel momento para tu modelo de Austin
si no me equivoco 848 cc


La tercera posición tuya tambien coincide con el ejemplo 2S por lo tanto,

2S = 2-door saloon/sedan

Significa que el tipo de carrocería es de dos puertas ya sea berlina o sedan.


La cuarta posición trata sobre la serie de Austin a la que pertenece tu vehículo.
En el ejemplo es un 7 y en el tuyo una B, por lo tanto:

B = Mk II Austin


En tu caso no existe quinta letra porque supongo que tendrá el volante a la derecha
y para tal caso no se había designado


Los números finales son la numeración de tu coche en el orden de producción.

Espero haber ayudado y que no me haya equivocado mucho en mis suposiciones.


Cita de: brunobritishopen en Marzo 21, 2009, 05:51:26 PM
por cierto muchas gracias por la informacion!!! ;) datos curiosos

De nada, para eso estamos, soy novato pero aportando desde el principio, jejeje  ;)

SALUDOS Y LARGA VIDA AL MINI



minijavi

Estas clasificaciones son para autos fabricados en la Gran Bretaña?.

Me pereció ver en el foro algo parecido para los fabricados en Pamplona. Creo?.


La libertad de expresión, lo mas valioso,.......... pero sin herir.

Isidro Mini

pues creo que no has dado ni una en el clavo, el volante está a la izquierda, no es un 850 sino un 1000 LS, y su mini no es inglés sino como el chorizo (pamplonica) Hecho en landaben (pamplona) sino pasa por restauraciones y échale un vistazo, supongo que esa clasificación es para los minis hijos de la gran bretaña, si hubiera una para authi seguro que lo habías clavado  ;D ;D ;D

malo

Cita de: minijavi en Marzo 21, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
Estas clasificaciones son para autos fabricados en la Gran Bretaña?.

Me pereció ver en el foro algo parecido para los fabricados en Pamplona. Creo?.

Sip, totalmente cierto, sólo para los coches fabricados en Inglaterra.

Cita de: Isidro Mini en Marzo 21, 2009, 09:40:56 PM
pues creo que no has dado ni una en el clavo, el volante está a la izquierda, no es un 850 sino un 1000 LS, y su mini no es inglés sino como el chorizo (pamplonica) Hecho en landaben (pamplona) sino pasa por restauraciones y échale un vistazo, supongo que esa clasificación es para los minis hijos de la gran bretaña, si hubiera una para authi seguro que lo habías clavado  ;D ;D ;D

:'( :'( Joe, me he lucido. Claro empezando porque no es inglés ya la lié. En fin, intentaré ayudar con alguna cosa mas. jejeje

mazinger-zeta


Mind

Veamos que sale :D :D

Gracias por la info

Un saludo

maloco

La diferencia entre un niño y un adulto es el precio de sus juguetes

malo

Cita de: mazinger-zeta en Marzo 23, 2009, 11:35:49 AM
Esta bien esto??? ke significa el S L S
zenkius

Mazinger no se lee muy bien el modelo, pero creo que pone algo de MINI MKII (lo siguiente ya no lo distingo). Así que quizás por venir la documentación en portugués y tal, puede que la última S signifique Setúbal, en Portugal. porque fue uno de los sitios donde se montaban. Pero como por arriba decían que tu mini era de Pamplona, ya me pierdo.

Si me lo pones completo prometo investigar. ;)

Cita de: Mind en Marzo 23, 2009, 01:52:14 PM
Veamos que sale :D :D
Gracias por la info
Un saludo

Probarlo que a mi me lo cuadró todo a la primera, quizás sea porque es del 97 y hay más información.

Cita de: maloco en Marzo 23, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
Una información muy útil. Gracias  ;D

Me alegro que te sirva.


SALUDOS Y LARGA VIDA AL MINI


malo

Buenas de nuevo Mazinger-zeta.

A pesar de lo dicho por Isidro Mini, yo sigo viendo que en la documentación
te pone que es un austin y nada de authi, por lo tanto me pregunto: estas
seguro de que se fabricó en pamplona?

Sinceramente despues de investigar todas las cifras y comentarlo con el padre
de un amigo, que también es bastante fan de los minis, hemos llegado a la misma
conclusión.

Tu coche por las características de la ficha técnica es:

AUSTIN MINI MKII 1000 SUPER DE LUXE SEPTIEMBRE DE 1969

o al menos es de donde pensamos que viene el nombre del modelo: MINIMKII1000S.L.S.1969


De todas formas, y ante todas las dudas planteadas, lo mejor, te paso la lista de las marcas y modelos de minis
desde 1959 hasta 2001, así te puedes cerciorar bien de cual es tu modelo.

http://www.minipassionmini.50megs.com/modelrange.htm#authi

Espero que al menos esto te sirva de ayuda y que no te desmoralice el pensar que tu coche no sea español, jeje.
Cuando lo tengas claro comentamelo.

SALUDOS Y LARGA VIDA AL MINI

mazinger-zeta

ES COMO YO PENSABA UN MKII ,Yo pensaba en un LS se ke es de importacion porke el motor ponia algo de imported england ,,,,
gracias

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